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  Long time members, how do you cope with so much tragedy on this forum?

  by PEC in

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  i have only been here for six months and i can see why so many people have to leave or at least take breaks from this forum.. what are you doing to cope?

  i want to stay, please help.

  pm me if needed.. philip.

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  Spark,

  So, if we are on the "Good List," it still means we can share in a round of Tequila, can't we...huh....can't we......please......

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  Where do you go for your spiritual needs?

  by Blindbutnowisee in

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  i never was baptize as a jw.

  i use to study with them for years, i even went as for as becoming a unbaptize publisher.

  i gave up being a publisher because i did not feel genuine in my efforts to preach.

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  Eclispe,

  Intense post....wow.....

  Peace,

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

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  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  Joseph, Nark, Leo......,

  First a note to nvr:

  On the Cuban girl: I came up with that on my own...I, really, should not even have such thoughts filtering through my mind.....really. I have, time to time, thought of "island scenes" like this...wish I had arranged my life to see a few....

  I have somewhat "surrendered" to the reality of the who, what, and where that makes up my life. Tonight, I was thinking (as I was digging egg shells, chopped up chicks, and some other muck out of a vacumn system....yuck) how we need to be content that, in some way, as we submit to Christ, He is using us for a far greater purpose than we know....so need to strive for patience and long suffering.

  Still yet, starry night, waves making that little splashing noise, and bronze skin and dark hair in the moonlight.....well, IF things had been a weeee bit different......

  NOTE OVER

  Thank you for your explanations. I started to read them, however, the last eleven hours have numbed my brain to the point I can not reason on your fine words. I will study them the next couple of days...I am sure I will tax your patience a bit more....

  Gratefull for you kindness,

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  Where do you go for your spiritual needs?

  by Blindbutnowisee in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i never was baptize as a jw.

  i use to study with them for years, i even went as for as becoming a unbaptize publisher.

  i gave up being a publisher because i did not feel genuine in my efforts to preach.

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  Many ex jws go to the Early Church, see the pattern of worship and the basic fundamentals, move forward to our time, and seek the closest approximation. The ones that do this end up Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or Anglican.

  If you want to discuss this, feel free....

  I am Anglican litergically and Orthodox, mainly, in "perspective." This is where I am in Journey.

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  Is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society an Anti-Christ Organization?

  by OUTLAW in

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  the wbt$ certainly puts themselves as mediator between god and mankind..very unchristian.....in many cases the wbt$ would have us ignore the words of jesus and have us rely on them,for any meaning the bible may have..as in the case of the september 15th 1968 watchtower artical "why are you looking foreward to 1975??

  ?..the writer tells us "this is no time to be toying with the words of jesus!

  "..the end is very near..this was on a thread by another poster a few days ago.....we all know that armageddon did not arrive as predicted by the wbt$ in 1975..but..to work up the 1975 frenzy,jw`s were told to ignore the words of jesus.....is telling people to ignore the words of jesus,anti-christ behavior?.....outlaw

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  Is the Pope Roman Catholic?

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

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  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  I do not know if a "rolling sabath" exists. This was a term a friend of mine told me as explained by his pastor. I thought Nark might know. I need to look up the scriptures you mentioned....

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

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  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  nvr,

  We are having this dignified, all "spiritual-eeee" discussion and you post something that, in my mind, conjurs up the thoughts of a beautiful Cuban girl rolling a cigar on a firm, bronzed thigh while a gentle breeze pushes thick, black hair back off a slightly damp brow....

  Shame on you!

  Twice, shame on you! (and, I do not, even, like cigars...)

  Ok, Nark....we can proceed.....

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

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  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  Nark,

  Thank you for your explanation: forgive me....I am lost...

  The notions of "three days and three nights" in the grave and "resurrected on the third day" are mutually exclusive regardless of the Gospel narratives, and are best explained as literary allusions, respectively to Jonah and Hosea.

  What does the phrase "mutually exclusive" mean?

  Jesus was very specific about the "three day" concept: "....tear it down and it will be rebuilt in three days..."

  This is a seventy two hour period. He does not sound as if he is referencing an "allusion" as he is so specific.

  I have ask several about this and all, pastors included, just blow it off.

  Were there "rolling sabaths" or "festival days" that would have had the same wording?

  What is the connection in all this between the Passover and the weekly Sabbath?

  Forgive me...in the are of figuring time: years of kings, chronology, stuff like this: my mind goes into lock up. I am, ususally, above average in figuring out anything in writing (factoring in my lack of education as I am, mostly, self taught), however, this area is a big, big exception.

  Thank you for sorting out my ramblings.

  Yours in this specific struggle,

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

  1. watchtower
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  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  Nark,

  I have a question for you (and, anyone interested):

  The Jews, if I am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.

  Jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on Saturday night.

  He was to be in the grave three days.

  If we back up three days, it means Jesus died before sundown on Wed. NOT Friday.

  They wanted him dead before the Sabbath. The Sabbath is Sat.

  The best explanation I have heard, IF it is true, is:

  Not only did the Jews have the sabbath as Sat, but, they, also, had "rolling Sabbaths" and, when Jesus died, Thursday was one of these.

  Any thoughts?

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  To Narkisis

  by Vernon Williams in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  nark,.

  i have a question for you (and, anyone interested):.

  the jews, if i am correct, counted a "day" as 24 hours from sunset to sunset.. jesus was reserected sometime after sundown on saturday night.. he was to be in the grave three days.. if we back up three days, it means jesus died before sundown on wed. not friday.. they wanted him dead before the sabbath.

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  I posted a thread for you, if you have the time.

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